Some lively banter on the air waves… as passed to me by my friend Jason. James Dobson seems to be on a frenzy and seems to be throwing knives on this one, though I respect some of the work he has done this is over the top… I believe it is a great example of the ‘religious right’ using their influence for political reasons, rather than for the Glory of God. And Obama’s remarks seem quite in line with a separation of Church and State, and the right of all to worship and live in this free country… In his speech (that is under attack by Dobson… found here) Obama cited Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount as, “a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application.” Now that is truth I could stand on.
You can find a comparison of words here: jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com
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I’m interested to see where this is going to go. On one hand I assume that Dobson has a good grasp of the Bible, where as I don’t know how strong Obama’s understanding is. On the other hand, Obama’s statements are inline with a separation between the Church and State while still seeking unity.
There is a question that I keep coming back to though. Where is the actual ‘discrepancy’ of scripture that Dobson interprets as distorting the text. I know it is not literally any verses,but it seems a stretch to say that he (Obama) is “dragging biblical understanding through the gutter” without sufficient proof.
I don’t include abortion rhetoric as proof either.
I do think Dobson misunderstood Obama’s passage about him, but it certainly isn’t a perfect speech. I always like it when people point out the broader subjects Christians should be concerned about (poverty, etc.). Though abortion and gay marriage are two very different issues — the support or opposition of gay marriage is almost always rooted in religious belief, but abortion transcends it. I don’t think one has to have a religious credo to oppose abortion, but without a religious credo of some kind there’s virtually no reason to oppose gay marriage.
His name is “Barack Hussein Obama” Why are you afraid to use it?
I am not afraid to use his middle name. I didn’t use his middle name in the above paragraph for one reason, brevity.
Though, since you brought it up, I am going to have to say that your connotation is disturbing. You are trying to incite fear by implying that a man’s name has a direct implication on the type of person he is, and the associations he may have. If we take this type of flawed thinking further we can deduce that:
It is comments like that, along with false accusations, that make this election so interesting… it is like people are actually trying not to use their brains.
If you want an insightful look at names and the presidency below is a link to a fairly good read on Barack Hussein Obama’s chances of becoming President with such a iconic name.
Malice in the Middle: Barack Hussein Obama and the history of bad middle names in politics.
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When have you ever heard BHO (even more brevity) ever mention Jesus? Search the speech you linked, and it is only from the mouth of BHO’s opponent. A friendly crowd, and all he can refer to is “his faith”. He is not “a committed Christian” as his material claims. He is an Obamist. Period. He joined a church that does not proclaim Jesus. He joined it to promote himself.
Is BHO “dragging biblical understanding through the gutter”? Yes. Need proof? All the proof you need is in BHO’s speech, but you will need some Biblical understanding of your own to discern his contortions. “Should we go with Leviticus..?” BHO says? An age-old argument of non-believing cynics. “Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount…?” Yes, it is true that we would have no need for a Department of Defense as there are no non-believers tolerated in the Kingdom of God. But what purpose does that arguement serve? to spread confusion.
BHO describes his “spiritual dilemma” without referring to repentance. Christian, would you do the same?
BHO describes his faith as “… a path that has been shared by millions upon millions of Americans - evangelicals, Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims alike; some since birth, others at certain turning points in their lives. It is not something they set apart from the rest of their beliefs and values. In fact, it is often what drives their beliefs and their values.” Christian, are you saved by your dependance on Allah, the Torah, or traditions of men?
I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that BHO is a liar and a deceiver, and his election will be another signpost along the way of God’s abandonment of the US.
By the way, I am not a proponent of James Dobson, either. But that is really a different subject.
Barak Hussein Obama speaks of Jesus, here.
Not that this is the main point of your post, but I thought I would keep you honest in your accusations.
Secondly, I didn’t know that America was God’s nation to abandon…? Isn’t Yahweh a God that transcends political affiliations, geographical limitations and color pigmentation? Your worried about God abandoning the US…? How pompous! This connotes that God is only our God and not for anyone else… Do not the infidel and the marginalized have access to the same grace that you and I have?
Yes, America was founded on Christian morals, though the christianity used today to promote a war on foreign soil is a farcry from the founding father’s wishes for this nation. American christianity is brutalizing the marginalized much like the Crusaders did in Mid Evil times. It is not the Christianity Jesus taught.
Listen friend, I am not voting for Barack Obama because of his religious beliefs, just as I hope you are not voting based on the religiosity of the candidate… because if you were, you would be hard pressed to find a candidate in the running who espouses all the teachings of Christ. Even the incumbent, who professes a Christian belief has done things that make me question his true master… But that judgment is not mine to make.
We are not God. We cannot judge the heart of a man, it is God/Jesus alone who separates the goats from the sheep (Matthew 25:31-46).
You would be wise to actually read up on the candidates and study the issues, not the rhetoric, not the emails, not the television commercials, but the actual issues at hand. Read Barak Hussein Obama’s book, Dreams from my Father. This book was written before he was a presidential candidate, before he was in politics at all, and it is a memoir that tracks his search for meaning in this troubled world, and where he finally found it.
And please don’t vote for a candidate based on the “evangelical rights” endorsement. Vote for a candidate that espouses the issues that you care about, the issues that have the greatest impact on your life and those around you. The candidates economic policy, foreign policy, energy and the environment, education, et cetera. Vote on the issues that you think merit the most importance. Do that and I won’t argue with you, though I may disagree with, I will respect your conviction.
And we will learn to disagree well.
Sam You Are: you’re going to keep my accusations honest? And you are going to quote from the website paid for by “OBama for America” How objective.
Anyway, reread my post. I never said that BHO never ever used the name of Jesus. Reread the speech you linked, given at a church that he says is “is also built on another rock, another foundation – and that rock is Bishop Arthur Brazier.” Would you ever say that about a church you believed to be authentically Christian? And then he continues, “Of all the rocks upon which we build our lives, we are reminded today that family is the most important.” Would you say that from your pulpit? I will reinterate from the text you provide in his defense, (in addition to the texts that were the subjects of he original post) that Barrack Hussein Obama lies when he claims to be a committed Christian.
“Secondly, I didn’t know that America was God’s nation to abandon…?” Really! Then you say He has no right or ability to either bless the USA or curse it? Do you misread my post to mean that I think that the USA has an exclusive right to the blessings of God? Far be it. We are not Israel. He has made no special convenants with us. We are in the “all the nations” category, a part of His dominion. However, we do seem to be on an accelerating downward slide away from following Him. Read:
Romans 1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
Notice the downward spiral of the morality of the people described, culminating in God’s wrath in judgement. (This section is often referred to a God’s wrath of abandonment, because He “gave them over”)
Does this apply to the USA? As I see our recent history and current events, I am afraid so. Does it apply exclusively to the USA? Oh, no! My best defense for the situation in the USA is that we do not seem to be as far down that slide as many other nations. That is not very heartening.
You say you “hope you are not voting based on the religiosity of the candidate.” Except for the fact that religiosity is nowadays often used as a derisive term, I think that every serious Christian should consider who their elected leaders are enslaved to. If not Christ, then who? Please know that I am not endorsing or testifying for BHO’s remaining opponent. When you say, “you would be hard pressed to find a candidate in the running who espouses all the teachings of Christ”, you are being very gracious towards the remaining candidates. I don’t see one who “mostly” or “often” or “generally” espouses the teachings of Christ. I don’t seem to have a dog in this fight. (Nor does Dobson, which is probably why he seems unhappy with the “movement” that he thought he was leading.)
By the way, whose rhetoric are you consuming when you regurgitate “American christianity is brutalizing the marginalized much like the Crusaders did in Mid Evil times?”
Politics gives me a headache. I’m voting for Yoda.
Takahik (1st post) - “When have you ever heard BHO (even more brevity) ever mention Jesus?”
Sam (response) - “Barak Hussein Obama speaks of Jesus, here.”
Takahik (2nd post) - “Anyway, reread my post. I never said that BHO never ever used the name of Jesus.”
uhmmmmmmm…. contradiction, paradox, or confusion? Because I’m confused.
Wow. I’m glad I missed this one
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